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we don't have that kind of capability in the federal government to add the deficit. so you have to open the door to private investment to do this job of rebuilding the power platform in the united states. >> host: and the technology aspect of that is? >> guest: technology aspect is manifold. and price performance improves every 18-24 mocks. in the last year we have gotten into the innovation cycle in batteries so by the end of 2020 electric vehicles will actually be price competitive with grass-driven cars. the problem with these things is that we can't wait. we can't wait because of the environmental effects and we can't wait because we need the economy to grow quickly right now. so the book lays out a whole bunch of different ideas for bringing private investment much more quickly into the job of rebuilding the power grid. >> host: on this show, a series on the international power plant, and he doesn't necessarily agree that the internet is completely green or is terribly green. what is your thought? >> guest: he is right about that. people say that data centers in
we don't have that kind of capability in the federal government to add the deficit. so you have to open the door to private investment to do this job of rebuilding the power platform in the united states. >> host: and the technology aspect of that is? >> guest: technology aspect is manifold. and price performance improves every 18-24 mocks. in the last year we have gotten into the innovation cycle in batteries so by the end of 2020 electric vehicles will actually be price...
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what's amazing is that people are now more concerned with the deficit and our dysfunctional government than they are with unemployment. the first time since 2009. >>> there's a troubling new statistic from the department of defense involving u.s. service members. the number of suicides in the military surged to a record high of 349 last year. that's according to the associated press. that exceeds the 295 americans who died fighting in afghanistan in 2012. >>> the military has launched a number of new programs to improve mental health services and increase awareness of the problem which the pentagon has now labeled an epidemic. >>> there's an unlikely voice entering the obesity debate. with local governments considering measures similar to mayor bloomberg's crackdown on large sugary drinks in new york city, soda giant coca-cola now stepping into the conversation. coke has unleashed a new ad campaign that defends its record while acknowledging the company's role when it comes to america's weight problem. nbc's chris jansing with the details. ♪ ♪ teach the world to sing to perfect har
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the deficit. so it should not be surprising, given all the talk, the it the american people think washington is hurting rather than helping the country at the moment. they see their representatives concerned over paying the bills while they overwhelmingly want to focus on growing the economy and creating more jobs. so let's finish this debate and give it businesses and the world the certainty our economy and reputation are still second to none of. we pay our bills. we handle our business, and then we can move on, because america has a lot to do. we have to create more jobs, boost the wages of those that have worked and reached for energy independence, reformed immigration system. we have to give our children the best education possible and do everything we can to protect them from the horrors of gun violence. i am grateful to vice president biden for his work on this issue of gun violence and for his proposals, which i will review later today and address in the next few days and intend to vigorous
the deficit. so it should not be surprising, given all the talk, the it the american people think washington is hurting rather than helping the country at the moment. they see their representatives concerned over paying the bills while they overwhelmingly want to focus on growing the economy and creating more jobs. so let's finish this debate and give it businesses and the world the certainty our economy and reputation are still second to none of. we pay our bills. we handle our business, and...
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the deficit. so it shouldn't be surprising, given all this talk, that the american people think washington is hurting, rather than helping, the country at the moment. they see their representatives consumed with partisan brinksmanship over paying our bills, while they overwhelmingly want us to focus on growing the economy and creating more jobs. so let's finish this debate. let's give our businesses and the world the certainty that our economy and our reputation are still second to none. we pay our bills. we handle our business. and then we can move on -- because america has a lot to do. we've got to create more jobs. ofve got to boost the wages those who have work. we've got to reach for energy independence. we've got to reform our immigration system. we've got to give our children the best education possible, and we've got to do everything we can to protect them from the horrors of gun violence. and let me say i'm grateful to vice president biden for his work on this issue of gun violence and fo
the deficit. so it shouldn't be surprising, given all this talk, that the american people think washington is hurting, rather than helping, the country at the moment. they see their representatives consumed with partisan brinksmanship over paying our bills, while they overwhelmingly want us to focus on growing the economy and creating more jobs. so let's finish this debate. let's give our businesses and the world the certainty that our economy and our reputation are still second to none. we pay...
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in the abbe sense of medium term deficit reduction plan consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long run, sustainability of the u.s. publicbe finances the current negative outlook on triple-a rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year. even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. steve? >> of course it is. we are added to the debt at unprecedented pace. of course, the agencies that exist to provide ratings on our debt are going to tell us that we will be downgraded. you have to have a discussion in the broader context. this is why the things are different when you talk about $17 billion in this particular mulvaney amendment. it is not a ton of number. in the context of $1.2 trillion debt. but you to have the discussions about the $17 billion. it's not out of line to suggest that a 1.6%be off-set is reasonable. >> bret: i will say one thing aboutbe the debt ceiling debate quickly. president obama yesterday and then jay carney back in 2011 two different takes but the same message. >> congressional republicans refuse to pay a
in the abbe sense of medium term deficit reduction plan consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long run, sustainability of the u.s. publicbe finances the current negative outlook on triple-a rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year. even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. steve? >> of course it is. we are added to the debt at unprecedented pace. of course, the agencies that exist to provide ratings on our debt are...
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it doesn't create new deficit spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family that's trying to improve its credit rating. families that say, i know how we can save money, we won't pay her credit card bills. it was the sole solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 in the u.s. downgraded last time. so all these issues are important and it's very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where government doesn't pay its bills. >> a number of people have expressed concern about how much of the challenges actually were addressed in a deal, it certainly went part way, but leaves a number of issues still on the table. would you care to raise that as an additional fiscal cliff that is facing us? would you think that it's not as concerning as it was when you raise that term initially? >> as i said the fiscal cliff, if it is allowed to take place, it probably would have traded a recession this year. a good bit of that has been addressed. nevertheless, we stil
it doesn't create new deficit spending. so not raising the debt ceiling is sort of like a family that's trying to improve its credit rating. families that say, i know how we can save money, we won't pay her credit card bills. it was the sole solution to the debt ceiling in august of 2011 in the u.s. downgraded last time. so all these issues are important and it's very important that congress take necessary action to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a situation where government doesn't pay its...
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gerri: and deficits far as the eye can see. clearly this is a situation that cannot continue forever. they have said let's take it to the court. what do you make of that strategy? >> is a losing strategy. there is a reason that debt ceiling raised with congress. that is a reason they have to start using the president's language and site we have to have a baland approach. if you want the debt ceiling raised come at some point we're going to have to address spending cuts. this is as good a time as any. i don't think they should go all in, draw a line in the sand and shut the government down because the public doesn't know a heck of a lot about this. they could be the recipient of the blame for this. gerri: use a dollar for dollar doesn't work. >> it will not stop the debt from growing as a percent of gdp because the gap is too large. >> i'm not saying it will balance the budget. we have to start the conversation, this is a good place to start making inroads. that is when republicans really have to draw the line in the sand. gerri
gerri: and deficits far as the eye can see. clearly this is a situation that cannot continue forever. they have said let's take it to the court. what do you make of that strategy? >> is a losing strategy. there is a reason that debt ceiling raised with congress. that is a reason they have to start using the president's language and site we have to have a baland approach. if you want the debt ceiling raised come at some point we're going to have to address spending cuts. this is as good a...
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down and would pay down the deficit. guest: i like the point you are making. a very close friend of mind in scranton is a jeep dealer. and he was going to sell a cherokee in beijing, it costs about $100,000 which is outrageous. they add all sorts of import and do the fees and that just will not happen here. we need to rethink some of these trade imbalances. for example, of the note to the big box retailer and you can see the big box retailers and the countries that do not have strict labor laws, workplace safety laws, environmental regulations to protect, in a sensible fashion, the economy. foreign countries can sell them cheaper the in this country and i think that applies to automobiles as well. maybe the way to have these sensible regulations is to have a sensible tax along the line you are talking about. host: we are talking with freshman democrat from pennsylvania, rep cartwright. next caller. caller: the definition of the fault is not being able to pay your bills. -- the definition of default is not being able to p
down and would pay down the deficit. guest: i like the point you are making. a very close friend of mind in scranton is a jeep dealer. and he was going to sell a cherokee in beijing, it costs about $100,000 which is outrageous. they add all sorts of import and do the fees and that just will not happen here. we need to rethink some of these trade imbalances. for example, of the note to the big box retailer and you can see the big box retailers and the countries that do not have strict labor...
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fiscal cliff, deficit, every single issue. the president's bills never go on the floor of the senate. there are bills that mcconnell agrees to before they reach the floor. because otherwise they can't proceed. one of these reforms that senator merkley talked about is just no more motion to proceed. the majority leader can put a bill on the floor. this is out of control. >> now, let me show you your union's advertising campaign against the filibuster. and let me just show you that first. then i want to ask a question. >> as climate change threatens the world we leave to our children and good u.s. jobs move overseas, time in the senate ticks by. it keeps ticking by with no results. because the system is broken. but we can fix it. and make the senate work for us again. >> people are stunned when they find out it was not majority vote. that one senator can just stop the process. is it your hope and the hope of cwa that when you do ads like this that the public will put pressure on their senators to reform this and just make it fai
fiscal cliff, deficit, every single issue. the president's bills never go on the floor of the senate. there are bills that mcconnell agrees to before they reach the floor. because otherwise they can't proceed. one of these reforms that senator merkley talked about is just no more motion to proceed. the majority leader can put a bill on the floor. this is out of control. >> now, let me show you your union's advertising campaign against the filibuster. and let me just show you that first....
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and also deal with the trade deficits, but even more importantly, what do we do to create an environment where businesses can grow and we can expand economic development? because this is still a very, very fragile expansion, though it is a expansion from probably the deepest recession we've ever been in wince the depression. a lot of pent-up demand, so i think this debate is centered on the right thing, what do we do to create an environment where businesses can grow. >> if we need and if republicans argue that what needs to be done is to cut the deficit, they need to perhaps go into default, are you okay with that? ivities illustrates well again i think we need to look at that time it through the lens of economy development. anything to slow this expansion down would have very, very serious consequences to all of us. >> let me ask you about your announcement last week. you were going to hire engineers, computer programmers. last year you announced to add 12,000 jobs by 2015. given everything that's going on, how confident are you that you'll still be able to meet that goal? >> well, i t
and also deal with the trade deficits, but even more importantly, what do we do to create an environment where businesses can grow and we can expand economic development? because this is still a very, very fragile expansion, though it is a expansion from probably the deepest recession we've ever been in wince the depression. a lot of pent-up demand, so i think this debate is centered on the right thing, what do we do to create an environment where businesses can grow. >> if we need and if...
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is the deficit gone completely at this point? >> the budget is fixed. i inherited a $27 billion deficit. that's what it was two years ago. that's gone. this budget will be balanced. now is it safe from any contingency? no, the world is changing and turbulent. is it going to get worse? then we'll get less money. number two, the federal government often blocks budget reduction that we make in the social services. sometimes we win. sometimes we lose. number 3 we're going to be part of the health care act, president obama's health care plan by expanding our medi-cal program to low-income families. he is promising 100% of the co cost. now, what if, because of the cliff negotiations and the debt, maybe they'll renege on that. >> reporter: you're being kind of careful here. >> what i'm saying is that people need to understand that a budget is like a piggy bank. the money is in there. no, the money comes in every sniesm day and the spending goes out every day. we are in a position for the first time in 15 years where we can say this year's budget will be balanc
is the deficit gone completely at this point? >> the budget is fixed. i inherited a $27 billion deficit. that's what it was two years ago. that's gone. this budget will be balanced. now is it safe from any contingency? no, the world is changing and turbulent. is it going to get worse? then we'll get less money. number two, the federal government often blocks budget reduction that we make in the social services. sometimes we win. sometimes we lose. number 3 we're going to be part of the...
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. >> this is turning stuff, and the president is saying things like not to worry about the deficit. that is really for the proletarian, the more pedestrian takers among master of the deficit, the sustainable that. this is abject non says that he is doing, and he is being hailed by the national liberal media as some sort of -- some sort of articulation. >> i am one of those who is in the center, a supporter of the bowls' simpson planned and i agree with your characterization the problem is, you are offering a countervailing you. the republicans, with all due respect, are not. there is not an alternative narrative, not pushing the president to negotiate, and he is not talking to anybody. lou: i love this comment. the president saying of the second amendment is not whether we believe in the second member not. you have to literally hear this to believe it. but. >> the issue here is not whether or not we believe in the second amendment. the issue is, are there sensible steps that we can take to make sure that somebody like the individual in newtown cannot walk into a school and gun down
. >> this is turning stuff, and the president is saying things like not to worry about the deficit. that is really for the proletarian, the more pedestrian takers among master of the deficit, the sustainable that. this is abject non says that he is doing, and he is being hailed by the national liberal media as some sort of -- some sort of articulation. >> i am one of those who is in the center, a supporter of the bowls' simpson planned and i agree with your characterization the...
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he doesn't care about deficits. he's not going to deal on this. >> you know, a couple of times during the news conference, i was interested in this. president obama said to congress, go ahead, give me the power and i'll issue more debt. that's really what he wants. he wants the power to issue unlimited debt so he can have unlimited spending and eventually he's going to get around to unlimited tax hikes. >> well, to be clear, as you know, when we talk about the debt, the president doesn't get to decide, you know, how much we're spending that's something that rests with congress. but in terms of what kate was saying with respect to, you know, him wanting to not really offer any cuts he's incurred the wrath of his party by offering chain cpi to social security. that's a reindexing of the cost of living index, revising down how much elderly people are getting. and he talk about potential fixes to medicare, potentially raising the age. it is not true that he's not willing to do that. i'll say there are a lot of people on
he doesn't care about deficits. he's not going to deal on this. >> you know, a couple of times during the news conference, i was interested in this. president obama said to congress, go ahead, give me the power and i'll issue more debt. that's really what he wants. he wants the power to issue unlimited debt so he can have unlimited spending and eventually he's going to get around to unlimited tax hikes. >> well, to be clear, as you know, when we talk about the debt, the president...
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the problem is we deficit spend about 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we collect, we spend about 10 billion a day and that means that we deficit. we have to borrow 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we spend more than 700 million dollars a day in interest on a national debt. there are lots of things to do. the president has lots of discretion to curb back that spending to make sure that social security payments are paid, interest is paid we don't default on our debt. >> greta: you know, when he voted as a u.s. senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we
the problem is we deficit spend about 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we collect, we spend about 10 billion a day and that means that we deficit. we have to borrow 3 to 4 billion dollars a day. we spend more than 700 million dollars a day in interest on a national debt. there are lots of things to do. the president has lots of discretion to curb back that spending to make sure that social security payments are paid, interest is paid we don't default on our debt. >> greta: you know, when he...
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so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he has a plan that mr. bolster the republicans hand when it comes to dealing with the democrats on the issue of debt and much more. ohio senator rob portman is here. and what do you make of obama, only 2006 a vote against the debt ceiling. >> it went further than that. he said it would be unpatriotic. >> sean: that's another, i actually have that clip. you want to see it. >> sure. >> sean: let's show the videotape. >> the problem is, is that the way bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt
so, obama's entire premise that we need a balanced approach to cutting the deficit is based on a huge fiction which is that obama's plan will cut 4 trillion during the the next decade. it will do no such thing. he's basing on a falsity, just like day one when he's been in office, distort and pr propgandize. now, republicans need to understand all of this dealing with obama. they're dealing with a man who is reckless, ruthless as any president they will ever encounter and my next guest says he...
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carolina has said, a deficit crisis of huge proportions. with an economy that's fighting to recover, and any expenditure must be weighed against all other needs facing our nation. now, i don't take the backseat to anyone when it comes to cutting spending. since i have chaired this committee, the last two years we've cut $100 billion off of discretionary spending. two years in a row going on a third. that's not happened since world war ii. so i know where i speak. in this case, madam chair, the needs are very desperately clear. we must provide this emergency funding as we are allowed by law without the devastating slash and burn cuts elsewhere that this amendment would cause. the amendment before us would splash nearly $20 billion from discretionary spending this year alone, totally indiscriminant, unspecific, cutting the good and the bad, completely abdicating the responsibility of congress to determine where spending should or should not occur. to put this in perspective, this amendment contains a cut to regular discretionary spending that
carolina has said, a deficit crisis of huge proportions. with an economy that's fighting to recover, and any expenditure must be weighed against all other needs facing our nation. now, i don't take the backseat to anyone when it comes to cutting spending. since i have chaired this committee, the last two years we've cut $100 billion off of discretionary spending. two years in a row going on a third. that's not happened since world war ii. so i know where i speak. in this case, madam chair, the...
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spencer michels asks california governor jerry brown if his fiscal turnaround-- from a $27 billion deficit to a balanced budget-- offers a lesson for the nation. . >> you have to make tough choices. you have to live within your means. that means you have to not do everything you want to but you also have to raise more
spencer michels asks california governor jerry brown if his fiscal turnaround-- from a $27 billion deficit to a balanced budget-- offers a lesson for the nation. . >> you have to make tough choices. you have to live within your means. that means you have to not do everything you want to but you also have to raise more
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. >> while i am willing to p compromise and find common ground over the deficit we cannot afford a debate about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. >> we are not going to do it without putting in place a spending reform. these cuts promise to transpire but never do are not going to do the job any more. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell wanted to say the president needs to get serious about it. you can see the battle lines clearly drawn in washington. >> also pointing out in 2006 president obama then senator voted against raising the ceiling. >> they discussed his time spent in prison whether he feared for his life and what the first moments were like for him. >> i came in the prison around 3 in the morning. initially there's some pressure put on me. they tried to export money from the family, but the american consulate was contacted and they moved me out of the general population and put me into like a single place by my
. >> while i am willing to p compromise and find common ground over the deficit we cannot afford a debate about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. >> we are not going to do it without putting in place a spending reform. these cuts promise to transpire but never do are not going to do the job any more. >> senate...
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president obama said he is open to discussing deficit reductions, but only after congress first pay this bills that the country already owes. >> the federal government takes a larger chunk of paychecks. that's because during the fiscal cliff debate, congress allowed a temporary cut in social security taxes to expire, mean that social security taxes have increase thousand by 2%. economists anticipate the payroll increase tax hike will reduce u.s. house hold incomes by a collective $125 billion this year. >>> a another brutely cold night and into tomorrow morning. it is going to be freezing and below freezing once again. a look here at the pattern. we remain with the trough to the east of us. a ridge of high pressure to the west, but this ridge is slowly nudging east, and eventually, by midweek wednesday and lasting into the weekend, it will be overis, and that is going to bringis warmer weather. so warmer weather on the horizon, it's not going to be here in time for tomorrow morning. tomorrow morning very cold once again. lows sinking back into the 20s and 30s. if you're just joining us,
president obama said he is open to discussing deficit reductions, but only after congress first pay this bills that the country already owes. >> the federal government takes a larger chunk of paychecks. that's because during the fiscal cliff debate, congress allowed a temporary cut in social security taxes to expire, mean that social security taxes have increase thousand by 2%. economists anticipate the payroll increase tax hike will reduce u.s. house hold incomes by a collective $125...
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onto another big one, negotiating with unions has made big headlines in the past year's budget deficit exploding, as you know, but one story in the "wall street jouournal" really caughty attention because the strong-arm tactics being used. just one example, the police union in california began a harassment campaign against the city manager. after he announced the city may have to lay off 16% of the municipal workforce. the union bought the house next door to him to make his life miserable and they invested in billboards welcoming visitors famous as the second most dangerous city in california and it put his phone number at the bottom. keep in mind this is if you ended up going bankrupt because of unsustainable costs. this is all too familiar to the costa mesa mayor who joins me now. they moved in next to the city manager and they unleash a flurry of construction making all kinds of racket and bullying him at home. does this shock you are similar to something you went through as well? >> five years ago it would shock me. what you find out is these unions in a lot of public safety unions
onto another big one, negotiating with unions has made big headlines in the past year's budget deficit exploding, as you know, but one story in the "wall street jouournal" really caughty attention because the strong-arm tactics being used. just one example, the police union in california began a harassment campaign against the city manager. after he announced the city may have to lay off 16% of the municipal workforce. the union bought the house next door to him to make his life...
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president obama said he is open to discussing deficit reductions, but only after congress first pay this bills that the country already owes. >> the federal government takes a larger chunk of paychecks. that's because during the fiscal cliff debate, congress allowed a temporary cut in social security taxes to expire, mean that social security taxes have increase thousand by 2%. economists anticipate the payroll increase tax hike will reduce u.s. house hold incomes by a collective $125 billion this year. >>> a another brutely cold night and into tomorrow morning. it is going to be freezing and below freezing once again. a look here at the pattern. we remain with the trough to the east of us. a ridge of high pressure to the west, but this ridge is slowly nudging east, and eventually, by midweek wednesday and lasting into the weekend, it will be overis, and that is going to bringis warmer weather. so warmer weather on the horizon, it's not going to be here in time for tomorrow morning. tomorrow morning very cold once again. lows sinking back into the 20s and 30s. if you're just joining us,
president obama said he is open to discussing deficit reductions, but only after congress first pay this bills that the country already owes. >> the federal government takes a larger chunk of paychecks. that's because during the fiscal cliff debate, congress allowed a temporary cut in social security taxes to expire, mean that social security taxes have increase thousand by 2%. economists anticipate the payroll increase tax hike will reduce u.s. house hold incomes by a collective $125...
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if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being. i'd invoke the 14th amendment, we'd problem below know that if we spent more time with the republicans wasting time on the floor of the house. i thought he ought to raise it and to hell with congress. martha: we talked to stewart varney and kirsten said in that sound byte, this isn't about default, pe
if we want to have a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it...
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because when interest rates go up, that means the deficit will go up. so we make the problem worse by taking this route if we go down this pathway. >> i want to throw three terms at you that we've had to stomach out in america. debate over the fiscal cliff, the debate over the debt ceiling and the budget show dunn. all three of these very serious. but which is the most serious. >> the debt ceiling could do damage to our countries for decades to come if we hit it and don't expect the problem. this is the most dangerous thing. this is almost a nuclear option. this is really playing with very dangerous things. and one little mistake could be devastating to our country. >> and yet you still come on day after day and smile with me. thank you. always good to see you. >>> by the way, i just want to remind you if you're doing the math, the treasury says it might come up short in its payments as soon as february 15th. ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. make it worth watching. introducing the 2013 lexus ls. an entirely new pur
because when interest rates go up, that means the deficit will go up. so we make the problem worse by taking this route if we go down this pathway. >> i want to throw three terms at you that we've had to stomach out in america. debate over the fiscal cliff, the debate over the debt ceiling and the budget show dunn. all three of these very serious. but which is the most serious. >> the debt ceiling could do damage to our countries for decades to come if we hit it and don't expect the...
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deficit. the president of the united states -- it is laughable that he would talk about republicans not being responsible on debt issues. when this president has been in the white house sin january 20, 2009, and he's yet to do anything significant on social security or medicare. he cut medicare. so he can start a new entitlement program. that's -- not making medicare more sol vent. he doesn't done anything to curb the cost of medical expenses which he said he was going do. he did nothing. he struck back room deals with hospitals, with special interests, and now he's saying republicans are being reckless? no, no. at some point it becomes more reckless to continue raising the debt ceiling without having democrats come forward with a budget, by the president of the united states, coming forward with a plan to save medicare, medicaid, and social security. we had erskine bowles on. he was very clear. steve ratner agrees. zeke emanuel agrees. democrats, good democrats, agree. that medicare and medic
deficit. the president of the united states -- it is laughable that he would talk about republicans not being responsible on debt issues. when this president has been in the white house sin january 20, 2009, and he's yet to do anything significant on social security or medicare. he cut medicare. so he can start a new entitlement program. that's -- not making medicare more sol vent. he doesn't done anything to curb the cost of medical expenses which he said he was going do. he did nothing. he...
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he's the cow author of controversial simpson/bowles deficit reduction plan. find out what he has to say now as we're edging closer and closer to that debt ceiling. >>> later, no way to get to work equals no job. a new study shows 3.5 million jobs will be lost if we don't start rebuilding america's infrastructure, today. we'll debate the high-stakes issue affecting all of us in the back half of the program. don't miss it. back in a moment. what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great idea. i'm going to go... we got clients in today. [ male announcer ] save on ground shipping at fedex office. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announ
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they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents for all time -- >> neil: you would give a republican the same eye am going to save this tape. when it comes to that, i am going to have you back. >> hopefully, that won't be for a long time. >> neil: i thought you would say that, touche. >> okay. >> neil: from help out of d.c. to big doings in d.c., the city is getting readyr spiffy for a piece of history. the president's inauguration on monday. since january 20 falls on a sunday, the president will be privately sworn in that day. but the hoopla is all on monday, across the capitol. and we will be there again. probably n
they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: wait a minute. we can go back in time and talk about 9/11 and a recession was taking hold. i don't want to go back in history. i want to ask thufinaly, would you agree that if we get a republican president and he or she is demanding the same prerogative you want to give this president right now, you, simon, would be on board and say go for it. >> i think we should eliminate the vote over the debt ceiling, both party, both presidents...
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that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this problem after a while. do you think we're headed for a full stalemate? >> it's such a shame. i think david is right because we have low debt service right now. we're paying less interest on our debt than we had in the reagan and bush administrations before because interest rates are so low. >> but they're going to go up one day. >> but not for several years. i'll say it, we should be borrowing more at 30-year, 3% terms, so we can invest in the long-term growth of this economy. this is not the time for further austerity and cuts. if we were even to consider that right now, it would be
that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this...
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. >> obama: so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. >> bill: so the question -- so why should the president entertain this notion that the debt ceiling which republicans voted for 19 times under george w. bush without a peep, you know, why should he entertain the notion that suddenly this is a matter of big negotiations? >> well, he's trying to say that he shouldn't but unfortunately the house republicans have the majority in congress. unfortunately for him, so when he says he doesn't want to debate it and negotiate over it, he is running up against the fact that people who have the power in the house do want to debate it and that can cause problems. he certainly is pushing this idea here to try to remove this from the realm of what he wants and the american people see as rational debate. he used a lot of words yesterday that were very strong to try to make people see this as what he called an absurd way of
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he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that is not what polling shows. it shows people want to get spending under control. >> sean: for a brief hour the obama media which did not go do a good job from my estimation woke up and challenged him. and looked angry on hypocrisy. how would you deal with the president that is very good at politics, demonizing and pushing republicans into a corner? what is the best strategy? >> well, i agree with you it's interesting. you had reporters saying wait a minute. you said just the opposite but also said the point just made a second ago which is why are you saying it's been straight a
he's said it's unrealistic to tie the debt limit to deficit reduction. he said it has been separate. that is just not accurate. >> sean: last 30 years? >> last 27 years every major reduction is start going through 1990s all three agreements. recent one, budget control act the reason we're talking about the debt limit discussion. so this is an appropriate time to raise the issue. look, he said people voted for him because they wanted to increase the debt limit. i don't think so. that...
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we do this by cutting spending, shrinking the deficit and balancing the budget. you know, as a businessman, when you're not selling your product, you don't raise taxes. i.e. -- and you don't raise prices. you cut spending. that's where the money is. that's where the cash flow is. and that's what we've got to get to. our nation's economic future is at stake. the federal government current liborios more than 40 cents of every $1 spent. i think we will we all agree it's time to get our fiscal house in order. across this great nation, the families have stretched their hard-earned dollars in order to make it through this struggling economy. the federal government must do the same and must do it now. we're facing a crisis because washington just simply spends too much and wastes too much. as i said, again, families all across this i country, they're not looking to spend more money, they're looking to cut expenses, to meet the problems we all face today. the american people i believe do not support raising the debt. i ran on lower taxes, less government, cut the spendin
we do this by cutting spending, shrinking the deficit and balancing the budget. you know, as a businessman, when you're not selling your product, you don't raise taxes. i.e. -- and you don't raise prices. you cut spending. that's where the money is. that's where the cash flow is. and that's what we've got to get to. our nation's economic future is at stake. the federal government current liborios more than 40 cents of every $1 spent. i think we will we all agree it's time to get our fiscal...
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the problem is that was the last deficit increase. the $1.2 trillion is sort of already in the bank. the credit agencies, by the way, assume we're going to make those cuts. so if you're suggesting that we do additional sequestration on the smaller part of the budget, the 38% we talked about, domestic discretionary, i suppose that's one way you could go. but, it ignores the fact that we've got this bigger part of the budget that's more politically sensitive, but has to be dealt with. the biggest part of the budget and the fastest growing part of the budget. it also, the $1.2 trillion is in the bank because of the discussions we had two years ago. >> you think the democrats would not see that as a credible threat? they would say go ahead, let the sequestration kick in? >> well, i think democrats and republicans alike would like to alter the way the sequestration works. but i hope that nobody's talking about not making good on our commitment to reach the $1.2 trillion. i'm certainly not. and those of us who are concerned on the across-th
the problem is that was the last deficit increase. the $1.2 trillion is sort of already in the bank. the credit agencies, by the way, assume we're going to make those cuts. so if you're suggesting that we do additional sequestration on the smaller part of the budget, the 38% we talked about, domestic discretionary, i suppose that's one way you could go. but, it ignores the fact that we've got this bigger part of the budget that's more politically sensitive, but has to be dealt with. the biggest...
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i think it would actually add to our deficit, because it will impede growth. >> reporter: another more immediate political fight for the president, confirming his pentagon nominee, chuck hagel, a republican, who got a boost on "meet the press" sunday from former republican secretary of state, colin powell, who used the occasion to take a larger, deeper shot at the gop. >> there's also a dark -- a dark vein of intolerance of some parts of the party. what do i mean by that? what i mean by that is, they still sort of look down on minorities. how can i evidence that? when i see a former governor say that the president is shuckin' and jivin'. that's a racial era slave term. >> reporter: now, brian, the issue of the lack of diversity in the president's second-term appointment so far came up at the press conference today, and the president simply asked for more time, defended his record of diversity in the first term and said wait until he's finished with all of his appointments. >> chuck todd on the north lawn of the white house for us tonight. chuck, thanks. >>> overseas, france launched mi
i think it would actually add to our deficit, because it will impede growth. >> reporter: another more immediate political fight for the president, confirming his pentagon nominee, chuck hagel, a republican, who got a boost on "meet the press" sunday from former republican secretary of state, colin powell, who used the occasion to take a larger, deeper shot at the gop. >> there's also a dark -- a dark vein of intolerance of some parts of the party. what do i mean by that?...
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that ate up a good decade, not to mention adding to the defic deficit. then we had a gargantuan recession and fiscal crisis. so we now are maybe getting a little bit back to normal, people are looking at this structure and the legacy of the last two decades, which is enormous deficits and saying okay, what do we do about this going forward? and that's were i think we get the potential for change. >> ron williams on the iowa has a question. >> the question is really based on -- what you learn business is once an organization is created, once it lives it wants to grow. and that organizations also have a way of becoming their own customer. ending this is it just doesn't work because there's no revenue in being your own customer. so the question really is a sidestep question which is, what happens if we can develop ways to sunset organizations, regulations that would require a review of the original problem which is often a very legitimate problem, doesn't still exist, does it require the same solution. the second question or comment is around risk, and i'm
that ate up a good decade, not to mention adding to the defic deficit. then we had a gargantuan recession and fiscal crisis. so we now are maybe getting a little bit back to normal, people are looking at this structure and the legacy of the last two decades, which is enormous deficits and saying okay, what do we do about this going forward? and that's were i think we get the potential for change. >> ron williams on the iowa has a question. >> the question is really based on -- what...
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he is absolutely prepared to continue to negotiate ways to reduce our budget deficit and that's exactly what we should be doing but we shouldn't be doing it under the threat, the republican threat, of tanking the economy by undermining the full faith and credit of the united states government. we have never done that in the history of this republic and we shouldn't start doing it now. >> all right. congressman van hollen, always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you, sir. >> likewise. >>> the house will vote on the massive hurricane sandy bill and things are heated on the house floor today. >> we are asking, we are pleading and we shouldn't have to beg for money for the northeast to be able to survive. >> but some republicans say they will vote against the bill despite calls from members in their own party to get it done. >>> but first, today's money minute. here's a look at wall street. you see there, the dow down slightly. we'll be right back. [ man ] i've been out there most of my life. you name it...i've hooked it. but there's one... one that's always eluded me. thought i had it i
he is absolutely prepared to continue to negotiate ways to reduce our budget deficit and that's exactly what we should be doing but we shouldn't be doing it under the threat, the republican threat, of tanking the economy by undermining the full faith and credit of the united states government. we have never done that in the history of this republic and we shouldn't start doing it now. >> all right. congressman van hollen, always a pleasure to speak with you. thank you, sir. >>...
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he said trimming the budget deficit should be a different discussion separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills, and we are not a deadbeat nation. >> clearly house speaker john boehner thinks differently. he responded by saying, quote, the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >>> these pens are designed to be used only by one person, but an investigation discovered that many of them were used on multiple people. >>> are you in hawaii or going there anytime soon? surfers, beware. check out this video. it's a real-life jauss. two sharks were swimming dangerously close to the show. can you believe it? look at that. you could wade in and be bitten, eaten. last year there were a total of 11 shark attacks in hawaii. >> that's what i call dangerously close. >> oh, my goodness. >> so some people in the southeast waking up to the dual danger of flooding and ice. alexandra steele in the weather center. good morning. >
he said trimming the budget deficit should be a different discussion separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills, and we are not a deadbeat nation. >> clearly house speaker john boehner thinks differently. he responded by saying, quote, the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >>> these pens are...
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. >> ironically would probably increase our deficit. it is absurd. >> the president won't back down on the debt ceiling or on gun safety. >> the pressing issue of gun reform. >> exactly one month after the tragedy at sandy hook. >> if there is a step we can take that will save even one child we should take that step. >> gun violence continues to wreak its deadly toll each day. >> this is a moment to act. >> congress is incapable of passing an assault weapon ban. >> everybody is totally upset by it. >> what makes sense? what works? >> this is a moment to act. >> this is a promise to turn the conversation into actions. >> if there is a step we can take that will save even one child, we should take that step. >> the lecturer in chief returns to the east room of the white house today to explain something to congressional republicans that previous presidents have not had to explain to congress. >> i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more s
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. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid. the debt we incurred was paid for through various bonds. world war i to world war ii, fdr got together with the treasury secretary and set let's put a debt ceiling op and they started to borrow money. that amount in 1949 was $45 billion. today, $16.4 trillion. that is 46,400% higher. between 1939 and 1980, we never exceeded $1 trillion in debt. now we push $17 trillion. the problem with the sound bite is president obama was the guy
. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix...
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he promised to pay down the deficit at least half in his first term. the first two years of his first term he had a democratic congress house and senate. he could have done anything he wanted. instead he put through an $800 billion stimulus bill and a $1.7 trillion obama care. if he wasn't going to address it then, when is he going to address it? he is essentially holding congress hostage right now and the american people with these scare tactics. >> okay, newt gingrich addressed this whole issue on "cbs this morning" and i'll read you what he said. "it isn't a smart fight for congressional republicans to pick, because in the end, it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default, no one will allow the united states to not pay its bills, no one is going to accept the economic costs. it rallies the entire business community to the president's side." so even newt gingrich says this isn't a wise fight to pick. you may feel strongly about spending cuts but this isn't the right time to fight. >> when is the right time? when is the right time? bec
he promised to pay down the deficit at least half in his first term. the first two years of his first term he had a democratic congress house and senate. he could have done anything he wanted. instead he put through an $800 billion stimulus bill and a $1.7 trillion obama care. if he wasn't going to address it then, when is he going to address it? he is essentially holding congress hostage right now and the american people with these scare tactics. >> okay, newt gingrich addressed this...
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bush was -- >> i thought their one idea, david, was cutting the deficit. >> that's -- they say that's the case, but it really is they want to just talk about spending cuts as if that is going to help the economy. and any mainstream economist now tells you that you may have to do that in some ways for long-term deficit implications but that's not good in the short run. even simpson/bowles say don't cut so fast. >> and just to be clear, it's not at all clear that they actually have coherent plans for anything they're suggesting. they have sort of hand waving spending cuts, entitlement reform without really writing down a specific path to get there. >> incredible. david corn and jared bernstein, gentlemen, thank you so much. stay with us. we'll be right back. what do we want to build next ? that's the question. every day. when you have the most advanced tools, you want to make something with them. something that helps. helps safeguard our shores. helps someone see through a wall of fire. helps those nowhere near the right doctor stand a chance. ... feeling in the extremities ? no. techno
bush was -- >> i thought their one idea, david, was cutting the deficit. >> that's -- they say that's the case, but it really is they want to just talk about spending cuts as if that is going to help the economy. and any mainstream economist now tells you that you may have to do that in some ways for long-term deficit implications but that's not good in the short run. even simpson/bowles say don't cut so fast. >> and just to be clear, it's not at all clear that they actually...
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he has run trillion dollar deficits for the past four years of his administration. you have to pass a budget in the united states senate. he will be doing his sort of constitution getting a budget up to the congress. this is a challenge. we have to have a clear look at how we can reduce spending in this country. connell: whenever the limit is actually reached and it is not raised. then you start to play the political blame game. pay some bills and not others. though the republicans risk taking a lot of the blame for this? >> i think that we all, as americans, should be concerned. there is default on government payments and there is the ball on treasury. connell: who knows how the market reacts. are the odds higher than they have ever been, do you think? >> i do not think so. i hope not. the treasury has extraordinary means that they are able to take. republicans rightly see this as a leverage point. i know that the president of the united states voted six years ago against raising the debt ceiling. connell: are they to gather on it? speaker boehner, we cut a deal, b
he has run trillion dollar deficits for the past four years of his administration. you have to pass a budget in the united states senate. he will be doing his sort of constitution getting a budget up to the congress. this is a challenge. we have to have a clear look at how we can reduce spending in this country. connell: whenever the limit is actually reached and it is not raised. then you start to play the political blame game. pay some bills and not others. though the republicans risk taking...
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would surplus at sometimes but ordinarily deficits were small and manageable. what's different today we're not necessarily talking about funding or not borrowing for disaster, we're borrowing for everything else and that puts us in this new and frankly uncomfortable position. if we had taken care of our underlying financial and fiscal needs and paid for the operation of this government without borrowing huge sums of money we wouldn't have to have this conversation. we've undermined our own ability for our own people. imagine the united states of america being in the circumstance it is today we have to ask other countries to lend us money so we can take care of our own. that's an embarrassment to me. i'm not happy to be in this position. it's not because of what happened in sandy, it's because of what happened before we got to sandy. >> congressman mick mulvaney nice to talk to you. makes an excellent point at the same time. if you are a person affected by sandy many folks in our state of new jersey you hear that, this is closing the barn door after the horse ha
would surplus at sometimes but ordinarily deficits were small and manageable. what's different today we're not necessarily talking about funding or not borrowing for disaster, we're borrowing for everything else and that puts us in this new and frankly uncomfortable position. if we had taken care of our underlying financial and fiscal needs and paid for the operation of this government without borrowing huge sums of money we wouldn't have to have this conversation. we've undermined our own...
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we didn't have a deficit and debt crisis the way we do right now. let's be fair about the facts. we are in a debt crisis. however, when something like this happens, it's an exception to the rule. these people are hurting. they need the help of the federal government, and that's what we're going to deliver today. the bottom line is we're going to move forward and get this done. >> you know, i have been blessed to get to know some of the really good people up in your borough like taddy atlas and your borough president. they're doing great work. tell us how bad it is. we're looking at pictures of the people under water during the flood. i saw some of that stuff on your own island of staten island a couple weeks ago, it was really rough. >> it's horrendous. this is a war zone. let me be clear, don't forget about -- you see homes crushed. you see people's personal belongings wiped out to sea, but there's also emotional scars that you cannot see. just this past weekend i had a mother tell me her children are deathly afraid when it rains because they think there's going to be another fl
we didn't have a deficit and debt crisis the way we do right now. let's be fair about the facts. we are in a debt crisis. however, when something like this happens, it's an exception to the rule. these people are hurting. they need the help of the federal government, and that's what we're going to deliver today. the bottom line is we're going to move forward and get this done. >> you know, i have been blessed to get to know some of the really good people up in your borough like taddy...
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if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or that battle is not great for them because that disproportionately hurts republican industries, which is to say the defense industry, which is not to say that there aren't plenty of democrats whose bread is not being buttered by defense contractors, but if you look down at the breakdown of sequester cuts, defense gets hit with $55 billion in cuts, but they are much more severe, and as dave wood from the huffington post has said, it's like taking a meat clever to the defense industry. the nondefense cuts, 55 billion, same amount, but social security, retirement, veterans medicaid, snap, food stamps and
if they're so into cutting the deficit and they think spend issing the problem, show it off. let's see what you got. they don't want to do it. >> what i don't understand about this is why if you believe that ultimately they're going to have to cave, why don't we just let them cave? why do we need to create all of these other sort of -- as i said wack-a-do arrangements so this can happen? >> it's all leverage, right? if the sequester, that deal is not great for the republicans or...
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this would allow us to keep reducing the deficits. we have a shared value in eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. we are intent on that. host: how much of the budget does waste, fraud, and abuse make up? guest: i could go back to virginia beach, virginia, and we could identify waste every day. we will never eliminate it entirely. we can do a better job. it will take reforms. we are living longer and we have fewer people paying in. i want to protect those who are hurting the most, like art, who called in earlier. host: lester is a republican. caller: good morning. disability, 63 years old. my wife still works. $45,000 a less taw less than year. somehow someone is going to have to do something about this. guest: i agree completely. i believe it is immoral for one generation to pass on debt that dims their future. those who have served our country -- i am mindful of the price paid by our goldstar families. we're failing the young people. i am with you. i was over it. i believe when americans are given good information, they will make goo
this would allow us to keep reducing the deficits. we have a shared value in eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. we are intent on that. host: how much of the budget does waste, fraud, and abuse make up? guest: i could go back to virginia beach, virginia, and we could identify waste every day. we will never eliminate it entirely. we can do a better job. it will take reforms. we are living longer and we have fewer people paying in. i want to protect those who are hurting the most, like art, who...
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but in this time of trillion dollar budget deficits and bailouts and platinum coins, i think we've lost track of how much money this is. it comes to about $450 out of the budgets of an average household in this country. that's the tab for every household in america, $450. i do think they would begrudge a penny of that provided they were assured this was going for immediate emergency relief and recovery. but looking at the package, $50 billion worth, $16 billion is to quintuple the amount being spent for new development block grant, double that in the underlying rogers bill. we all know what that program is. it's question will projects, doggie day care centers in ohio and a day at the circus in new york. the only be has repeatedly urgently warned us that the program is in their word ineffective. that's the bureaucracies flout polite term for programs where they cannot trace the funding and cannot show any kind of effectiveness. the legal authorization for this program expired in 1994. this measure as i said when coupled the amount of things didn't. $2 billion is for road repairs anywhere
but in this time of trillion dollar budget deficits and bailouts and platinum coins, i think we've lost track of how much money this is. it comes to about $450 out of the budgets of an average household in this country. that's the tab for every household in america, $450. i do think they would begrudge a penny of that provided they were assured this was going for immediate emergency relief and recovery. but looking at the package, $50 billion worth, $16 billion is to quintuple the amount being...